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  How much longer before the majority figure out the bible is not from God?

  by I believe in overlapping in

  1. social
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  in 1900 the estimated population of the world was 1,610,625,741.

  the population of christians worldwide was around 34.5% of world population..

  the population of atheist was -% or not even 1% of the world population.

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  Half banana

  As I said before the majority of the world (or the US for that matter) never did accept the Bible as being from God.
  

  I think you know logic is much more than just an abstract noun, and the fact that people don't want to think about it's origin, doesn't change anything. We depend on logic everyday to make sense out of the world.

  You appealed to logic when you said: "The reason being that spiritual things by nature have no tangible or concrete evidence for them and therefore cannot form the basis from which logical conclusions can be drawn." When questioned about logic, you seem to imply it doesn't really exist.

  You also asked: "why would anyone with the internet still want to put faith in the Bible"? Why do you put so much..."faith" in logic when it's neither material or immaterial?

  Using your reasoning, there is nothing "tangible or concrete" about logic.

  I used the word transcendent to describe logic, what word or words would you use? We both believe it exists don't we?

  “Agnosticism is epistemologically self-contradictory on its own assumptions because its claim to make no assertion about ultimate reality rests upon a most comprehensive assertion about ultimate reality.”
  -- Cornelius Van Til
  
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  How much longer before the majority figure out the bible is not from God?

  by I believe in overlapping in

  1. social
  2. current

  in 1900 the estimated population of the world was 1,610,625,741.

  the population of christians worldwide was around 34.5% of world population..

  the population of atheist was -% or not even 1% of the world population.

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  OK so you don't like the word transcendental. Logic is immaterial, or am I mistaken about that as well?

  No comment on where logic comes from? Do you rent it from theists?

  For example, when I go to see my doctor (atheist or not), I expect he counts on the future being like the past, if he has to prescribe medicine.
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  How much longer before the majority figure out the bible is not from God?

  by I believe in overlapping in

  1. social
  2. current

  in 1900 the estimated population of the world was 1,610,625,741.

  the population of christians worldwide was around 34.5% of world population..

  the population of atheist was -% or not even 1% of the world population.

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  Half banana

  I never said anything about logic being "spiritual"(unless of curse, maybe you are talking about theology ).

  I was referring to the philosophical definition.

  Logic exists and it is immaterial and absolute. When you do science and math you use it. In a universe consisting of simply matter, energy, time and space, where does logic come from?
  
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  How much longer before the majority figure out the bible is not from God?

  by I believe in overlapping in

  1. social
  2. current

  in 1900 the estimated population of the world was 1,610,625,741.

  the population of christians worldwide was around 34.5% of world population..

  the population of atheist was -% or not even 1% of the world population.

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  Half banana

  That is something you need to take up with the OP, who is suggesting that people are loosing "faith" in the Bible, and siting statistics about the number of people becoming atheists.

  However, just because you don't acknowledge God's exists, doesn't mean He isn't real.

  You use transcendent things like logic all the time, it doesn't matter if you believe in or /acknowledge it or not.
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  How much longer before the majority figure out the bible is not from God?

  by I believe in overlapping in

  1. social
  2. current

  in 1900 the estimated population of the world was 1,610,625,741.

  the population of christians worldwide was around 34.5% of world population..

  the population of atheist was -% or not even 1% of the world population.

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  I believe in overlapping

  I think you're conflating a bunch of things. Cultural Christianity doesn't (never did) equal Bible believer. Just as non-religious doesn't equal atheist.

  Atheism has a long way to go. It needs to explain where transcendental things like logic, morality, science come from in a material universe.

  As for taxing the Church, that would give the Church more of a voice, not less. As a Bible believer myself, I've been in favor of taxing churches for years.
  
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  On the Relevancy of The Institutionalization of Sin

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  child murder, sodomy & corrupting the human genome are not new sins, they are old ones.

  what is new is their institutionalization.

  but even that isn't totally new.

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  Perry

  I think the church brought all this on it's self when they asked the government to be the ones who grants the license for marriage (for taxing purposes) in the first place. As long as the government gets to define marriage, the church has no say in to matter.

  I say, we should lobby to get rid of the "legal" definition by the government on the grounds of separation of church and state.
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  Mormon Church Founder had 33 wives

  by designs in

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  we know russell, rutherford franz and knorr wer kooky but joseph smith takes the cake.. the salt lake tribune of all newspapers has run an article on the lds founder's 33 wives, most of whom were teenagers.. http://www.sltrib.com/news/173364-155/plural-smith-joseph-marriage-lds-says.

  would you stay an lds after knowing this, how would you rationalize staying with this knowledge.. .

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  designs

  For Mormons, this is old news, most know about it going in. I guess it's news that the Salt Lake Tribune covered it after all these years (170), they better hope the current prophet doesn't try the same thing that the first one did, and burn it down.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauvoo_Expositor The real scandle is what happened to the Navoo Expositer https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Nauvoo_Expositor after they ran the story about J. Smith in it's first and only issue (FRIDAY, JUNE 7, 1844).

  Not to be out done Brigham Young had 55 wives. Here's the list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Brigham_Young%27s_wives
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  cofty

  You dismissed their suffering as meaningless.

  No, you did that, not me. They are just numbers to you to use against God. I believe their lives had great meaning to God.
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  cofty

  If I am missing something please share it.

  I don't dismiss any of these individuals, you do, by lumping them all together in such an impersonal way. I’ve also thought very deeply about the individuals who body parts I picked up after 9/11. I wondered at the time if I was picking up parts of a victim or a terrorist. God knew, I didn’t. As I sorted through the debris I would come accross photos and I would wonder if they were alive or dead.

  When my days are over, God will take me. I don't know if my death will be quick or slow, painful or not, but he shows me mercy every day that I live.

  Simon

  I wish there was a hell so theists could burn in it.

  That IS what we who trust Christ deserve.
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  Sunny

  This isn't about personal suffering. Most of us here were not personally affected by the tsunami. That's not the point. 250,000 people and their families were affected. This is about them and God watching it and biblical christians inability to reconcile Gods inaction.

  Yes it is! Each one of those individual people had their own personal story, and I believe God knew each one personally.

  This is about them and God watching it and biblical christians inability to reconcile Gods inaction.

  I have no problem reconciling it. I'm going to die on the day God chooses by the means He chooses. I'll be fine with that, no matter how or when.

  Rom 8:18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.

  1Co 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.

  God reconciles each person individually. I didn't know any of them (the tsunami victims), did you or cofty?